romney had in the primaries. as we said before, debates can hinge on one moment. >> how has the national debt personally affected each of your lives and if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them? >> well, i think the national debt affects everybody. obviously, it has a lot to do with interest rates. >> she's saying you personally. >> personal basis, how has it affected you? >> has it affected you personally? >> well, i'm sure it has. i love my grandchildren -- >> how? >> i want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education. if you're -- maybe i'll get it wrong. >> then candidate bill clinton walking toward her. >> you know people who lost their jobs, lost their homes? >> yeah. >> well, i've been governor of a small state for 12 years. i'll tell you how it's affected me. in my state, when people lose their jobs, there's a good chance i'll know them bill their names. i know the people who ran the fact